Here's an idea that WON'T screw me over! How 'bout this...

[Steven89IROC]

Well, how bout I try to sell my car for what I owe?
I called the place I bought it to see if my warranty is transferrable, but it's not. However, it IS cancellable. I go in and sign it off, and they pay the bank what I owed on the Warranty! She said I can't find out exactly how much that is until 6 weeks, when it's paid off. The warranty was $1700 or $1800 (I forgot exactly). Well, It is a 2 year, 24,000 mile full coverage warranty, and I have over a year, and 12,000 miles left on it, so I should get about half back. I figured $800 to be safe.
Soooo, I cancel the warranty, they pay $800 on my loan, so i'll only owe $13,400.
Well, it books out at $12,800, BUT, that's all stock, and I wasn't planning on giving away everything with it, but I WILL.
It has a very good stereo system (sounds awesome), an Air Flow Converter, which is a fuel computer plus...(expensive), and my boost guage + triple data pillar. It's faster than stock, so I can put "very fast" in the ad. :)
So if i'm patient, I SHOULD be able to get $13,400 without a problem. Then, 3rdgen.org, i'm coming home!!!!

EVEN if I can't sell it, what do I lose? $20 for a classified ad, a couple of bucks for FOR SALE signs, and...well, the warranty which i'll probably never use again, but i'll figure out how to advertise it, and if I don't sell, then i'll still have it. Even if I don't, then that's less I owe on the car.

Sooo, I get COMPLETELY out from under the Talon, and drive my mom's Toyota Tacoma (her secondary vehicle) around for a while until I find my '89-'90 Iroc, or '91-92 Z28 (a very nice one with low miles).

Sound good? Thanks for all the advice you guys have given me all along. Give me more. :)

[Demon Z28]

hey chuckles if you want an IROC Vert theres one out here...

1988 CAMARO convertible, V8, auto, power, air, 125K, mandarin red with black interior, pretty "thumbs up car". $3,850/OBO. 360-653-2797

[Newsance]

Here's some advice..

Don't take out loans on used cars.

[GK]

Originally posted by Newsance:
<STRONG>Don't take out loans on used cars.</STRONG>

LOL, seriously! Its money down the drain.

[Demon Z28]

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How about this?? not an autotrader or nothing buuuuuuut... more selection hehehehe


yeah don't take a loan out... just come up here, sell the fucker, and get a camaro

[Steven89IROC]

Well how bout this, if I sell my Talon, I won't have any money for a while, and won't be able to get ANYTHING AT ALL. Sound good? I think not... I can't drive my moms truck forever.
It's either drive the Talon and pay $330 a month for loan, $200 a month for insurance, and be miserable...Sell the Talon, get a MUCH smaller loan on a Camaro, pay about $200 a month for a loan, $130 a month for insurance and be happy....OR...get a loan on a BRAND NEW CHEVY METRO for $9000 and be MOST MISERABLE OF ALL.
Used car loan or no car at all.

[ 05-24-2001: Message edited by: Steven89IrocTT ]

[Newsance]

No dumbass, do what everybody else does and buy a $200 car to drive while you get money put away. Of course, this would actually require the self discipline to put money away, so maybe that idea is out.

If you jump right into another loan on an older car, you will get yourself back into the same situation.

Don't you remember WHY you sold your Iroc? You couldn't afford to pay for a loan, insurance, and to keep a car running.

How is THIS time going to be any different? You are going to do the exact same thing, only this time you are trying for more money.

[Steven89IROC]

It's called a fucking 91 or 92, low miles 40,000 to 60,000, adult owned, 1 or 2 owners, garage kept, well maintained, and near mint condition. I've seen plenty of them like this.
NOT an 89, driven to hell, repainted, fucked up front end, needing a new water pump as I buy it, idle surging, ripped seats and stained interiored IROC-Z. (the way I drove it home).
There's a big difference. Besides, mr. "my firebird is the most dependable car i've ever owned", weren't you the one telling me how maintanence free your 140,000 mile 91 F-body is?
The difference is I wouldn't have to put 2500 dollars into it to get it running right after I bought it at an auction for 2,000.
:rolleyes:

[Steven89IROC]

Yeah, and i'm going to drive a $200 beater around for 5 years and not have to rebuild the whole car after that long so I can save 8-9 thousand for a '96 or 97 Z28 which will then be 5 years older. :rolleyes:
OK.

[GR8LT1TA]

Originally posted by Steven89IrocTT:
<STRONG>Yeah, and i'm going to drive a $200 beater around for 5 years and not have to rebuild the whole car after that long so I can save 8-9 thousand for a '96 or 97 Z28 which will then be 5 years older. :rolleyes:
OK.</STRONG>

Now your thinking! Sounds like a plan to me :)

[Steven89IROC]

Hah! Yeah right. What I meant was...a $200 car won't last 5 years without some major repairs. I'd be spending just as much fixing it as I would on a loan.
And I don't want a 96 or 97 Z, I want a thirdgen Camaro! They'll all be shitty by then.

[Jason91Z]

Don't listen to those bastards. Not a damn one of them would drive around in a 200 dollar beater for a few years.

[Newsance]

I paid 1700, The radiator was $100, the starter $50, front end rebuild and tires 600. Oh yeah, 75 for an ECM. Looks like 2500 there, not 4500. Whatever buddy. Isn't $2500 what you spend for payments and insurance over three months?

And both my Buick and Mustang cost $750, were reliable transportation, and soaked up less than $1000 a year for maintenance. I have helped friends buy cars that have been under $500, and they have lasted and gotten them where they needed to go.

Jesus Christ, how many times are you going to do the same thing and expect things to turn out different? You haven't been able to keep up with repairs, insurance, and payments on any car you've ever owned, (not the ones people have bought for you) yet somehow, spending 8,000 dollars on a ten year old car will work out for you.

Have fun! I'll be happy to say I told you so!

[Newsance]

Originally posted by Jason91Z:
<STRONG>Don't listen to those bastards. Not a damn one of them would drive around in a 200 dollar beater for a few years.</STRONG>

I drove two for several years. Beats the fuck out of paying down a loan on a used car that is sitting in your driveway with a blown tranny (which will happen, the way this kid drives. He hasn't mentioned the fact that his 6 month old clutch is now slipping again, or that his tranny makes ugly noises, when it is again only 6 months old)

[Steven89IROC]

I don't even know why I waste the energy trying to argue with you. Fuck it, I won't anymore. Yep, i'll have lots of fun!

[Steven89IROC]

Originally posted by Newsance:
<STRONG>
Beats the fuck out of paying down a loan on a used car that is sitting in your driveway with a blown tranny (which will happen, the way this kid drives. He hasn't mentioned the fact that his 6 month old clutch is now slipping again, or that his tranny makes ugly noises, when it is again only 6 months old)</STRONG>


LOL. right.... once again, you have no clue.

[JmeierZ28]

Right now, I wish I would have NEVER taken a loan out for my Accord. I am so far into it, I would have to take a loss of 2-3K if I sell it.
Soo.. if you took a loan out, prepare to make 3 years worth of payments before you can sell it for what you have in it..

[Steven89IROC]

Ummm, thanks, I already know this, hence the dilemma with my Talon.
If I buy a Camaro, I WILL NOT be selling it this time, so I wouldn't care. Doesn't bother me at all.

[Steven89IROC]

Well, looks like i'll be at the dealer tomorrow cancelling my warranty. As soon as it's paid for, my Talon is getting some major advertising! I already have a few prospective buyers. I'll figure out what to do after it's gone (I have my mom's truck to use in the meantime).

[Steven89IROC]

new sig...

[Fellfrosch]

Steven, this sounds like a much more sensible idea. You're thinking in the right direction, at least.

Although taking a loan out on a car is never a great use of money, you'll still be better off then you are now. And you can't complain about that.

Being able to drive your mother's truck is great. Make sure to actively look for a car every week! But be very picky. As long as you're looking hard, your mother should hopefully not get too upset that you're still driving her truck, even if it takes a few months to find the right Camaro. But make sure to find the right Camaro!

And put as much down payment as you can on the car. If you can swing it to borrow some additional funds off your parents for a while to put down on it too, that'd help. But while you're searching for the right vehicle, save up as much as you can.

Hopefully it will all work out right in the end. Good luck.

Oh, and go for a low milage late 80's Iroc if you can find one. Cheaper, and every bit as cool IMHO :cool:

[Dave Z]

How much of a difference is there between a 13 year old car and a 10 year old car? You can say that it only has 40,000 to 60,000 miles on it but I guarantee you that if you buy it thinking that you are not going to end up spending alot of money on repairs you are very wrong. When I had my 91Z with 60,000 miles on it the starter went out, the transmission had been replaced, the injector were leaking, and the air didn't work. I am glad that I didn't have a loan on a car that was just sitting in my garage sometimes for weeks. Cars that are 10 years old are going to develop problems if they are driven regularily which is what you will be doing since you only have one car.

You didn't learn from your first mistake and now you are just going to put yourself into debt again. Having a loan a used car is just wasting money because you will NEVER get as much as you paid for it. Having a car that has been modified slightly is not going to raise the price people will be willing to pay. No one who has an idea of buying cars will pay over blue book value for a car. Blue book value is for a car that is perfect and I highly doubt your car is perfect.

Don't even think of getting rid of your warranty until you sell the car. What happens if you break something and you don't have enough money to fix it or you don't sell the car? You will have a nice expensive loan for something that doesn't run.

If you want a camaro so bad then go buy a beater one for $500 and save up for a nice one.

[Nick T]

Originally posted by Steven89IrocTT:
<STRONG>Hah! Yeah right. What I meant was...a $200 car won't last 5 years without some major repairs. I'd be spending just as much fixing it as I would on a loan.
And I don't want a 96 or 97 Z, I want a thirdgen Camaro! They'll all be shitty by then.</STRONG>
Originally posted by Jason91Z:
<STRONG>Don't listen to those bastards. Not a damn one of them would drive around in a 200 dollar beater for a few years.</STRONG>

I've had my 170k POS Jetta for almost two years now and I'll be driving it for years to come. No major repairs, only maintainence items. I've put about 15k on it since I've gotten it. Nothing beats a paid off beater car.

[NotMyBFs91Z]

i say that if thats what you wanna do, do it. my 91Z with 199,7xx miles on it has never needed any major drivetrain work. the most major thing that it has needed, drivetrain wise, ....geez.... alternator?? thermostat?? those have both been a couple of times, but thats 140K+ miles worth of driving since we got the car in 93. it did need a front end rebuild when we got it, but the credit union paid for that (the car was a repo). the 91 has been a DAMNED good car. too good if you ask me, i wish the motor would blow. :)

i'd get a loan on a used car. as a matter of fact, i plan on doing it when i get my Dodge Ram....i can afford to pay $25K out of pocket for a 99-or-so model truck...not all of us have money out the wazoo!

Ryane

[Fellfrosch]

Originally posted by Dave Z:
<STRONG>How much of a difference is there between a 13 year old car and a 10 year old car? You can say that it only has 40,000 to 60,000 miles on it but I guarantee you that if you buy it thinking that you are not going to end up spending alot of money on repairs you are very wrong. When I had my 91Z with 60,000 miles on it the starter went out, the transmission had been replaced, the injector were leaking, and the air didn't work. I am glad that I didn't have a loan on a car that was just sitting in my garage sometimes for weeks. Cars that are 10 years old are going to develop problems if they are driven regularily which is what you will be doing since you only have one car.
</STRONG>

Damn man, what sort of beat-on car did you buy?

My 85 Z28 had 150k miles on it. Original transmission worked perfect. Rear end was fine. Motor had never been opened up. Biggest repairs were the power antennae, transmission mount, and valve seals. It did have the starter replaced but heck that was only $100, and when it was around 130k miles. Everything else was regular maintenance.

My 87 GTA had about 70k miles on it and was flawless. Purred like a kitten, knocked the filings out of your teeth on the shifts. Only regular maintenance was ever needed.

Find a nice well looked after car, treat it right and it will treat you right.

[Dave Z]

What kind of beat up car did I buy??? Just about the nicest thirdgen I have EVER seen. I am just trying to make my point that if you start modifying a car things are going to break. The previous owner was into racing and I was and am still into racing. I am not the kind of person who buys a fast car just to let it sit in my driveway and think about how fast it could go. Just look at Steven89IrocTT's name. I don't think he is that type of person either and I doubt that he will settle for a high 14/low 15 second car when it is at sea level. You can go on saying about treating a car right but if you want to go fast then you had better be able to pay for it when things break because they will. How can anyone expect a 10 year old car to be reliable? There is no guarantee when you are buying a car that has had 3 or 4 owners. Who knows what the previous owners have fixed and didn't tell anyone. Also you must remeber that the rear in thirdgens is extremely weak and won't stand up to much abuse, neither will the transmission because most likely the owner has never changed the fluid. You just have to expect and plan that something major will go wrong with the car and then you will be happy when it doesn't.

[Newsance]

All I have to say is, this is the second loan this kid has dumped because he can't afford it. The exact same reason he got rid of his IROC is the reason he's now dumping the talon.

Do you even have a job? I heard you quit the thing you were doing with the T shirts, I would concentrate on that before trying to see how far in debt you can get yourself.

Aren't you still paying off the loan for your IROC's transmission too?

That is really funny, You will have your new Camaro, and still be making payments on the transmissions you had in the previous two cars.

Hey, do what you want. Personally, I'm just sick of listening to all the bitching about how in debt you are, and how much your life sucks because of it. You sit and cry foul, how life has mistreated you so, when it is your own actions that have got you into this in the first place. Worse yet, you don't seem to be learning a damn thing from it, cause you keep doing the same things...

[Steven89IROC]

^ Wrong again.

Anyway, to the rest of you, like I said in the other post, I will buy another Iroc in the future to start my TT project. I will not beat on this one NEARLY as hard as I have cars in the past. If you all have seen the way i've been driving my Talon the last month, you'd be surprised, and proud. I'm currently getting 22 mpg city, and rarely ever go over 35% throttle anymore, and i'm shifting very easy. For me, that requires ALOT of self disipline I haven't had in the past. Besides, I have much more respect for a well taken care of Camaro. If I get a very nice Z28, I won't want to ruin it.
Thanks Fellfrosch for the insight. I will be saving all my money while i'm looking, which I plan on being at least a few months. I will find the right one. I'll look it up and down, inside out, and at everything in between. I can save $500 a month if I don't have the Talon. I plan on putting AT LEAST $1000 down. Of course, more, if I have it.

I expect to have some normal repairs here and there, such as starter, alternator, seals and hoses, and crap like that. I will definately be able to afford it making $$$hundreds of less payments each month. Like I said, I will find a car in VERY good condition, with very few, or one owner. I mean, I will even fly several miles across the country to look, if it fits my description.
Also, while I own the Camaro, I will save up about $500 or more, and i'll buy a beater 4 banger anyway. Besides, I like the gas mileage of 4 bangers when it comes to today's gas prices. :)
For once, i'm actually planning something out instead of jumping right into it blindly, and getting screwed over real bad for it. And for the first time ever, I actually have another dependable vehicle to drive as long as I need.

On the topic of modification, the first thing I would probably do would be a 6 speed swap before anything else (save K&N's or something). I've learned that WC T5's suck ass.
Better gas mileage, and that comfort of knowing I have a near bulletproof transmission. I'd save up to do it.
Anyway, if I can sell my Talon, this will be the plan of action.

[TMoNeE]

dude thats way smarter, even if you take another loan out, it will be way smaller, and paid off way sooner... cover your ass though, take a loan out for 1k more than the car so you can put it aside in case of the car needing emergency medical help, hehe. you would be paying for the talon forever so dump it, get a real car :)

[Newsance]

No it isn't way smarter, as he is talking about a $7000 loan on a 10 year old car. That is a shitty idea no matter how you cut it, or who is taking out the loan.

I am trying to give you some advice here. You DON'T have a stable job, seeing how you have had like three in the last 6 months. Even without a car loan, you are pretty deep in debt. DON'T GET A CAR LOAN!!!

And if you do, stop fucking bitching about how much it sucks... Just stop bitching in general, it gets real old to have somebody sit there and say "I can't afford to eat, check out my new speakers, I'm not going to make my car payment this month and can't afford to put $100 extra a month down on my car loan, but I just bought a tux for prom and a two way radio." etc etc etc. It is stupid and old.

[Mike Harvey]

Posted as of 5/20/01
Originally posted by Steven89IrocTT:
<STRONG> :mad:Well, I was pissed on the way home, (80 miles) so I decided to try to top my car out. I downshifted into third, punched it at 80, shifted into 4th at 90, fifth at 120 pulling HARD still, and RIGHT before I ALMOST rearended a SEMI that was going 75, (I don't think i've ever slowed down that fast before) I hit 139 MPH STILL PULLING NICELY!!! :cool: I think i'm good for at LEAST 145, probably more.</STRONG>

Posted as of 5/25/01
Originally posted by Steven89IrocTT:
<STRONG>If you all have seen the way i've been driving my Talon the last month, you'd be surprised, and proud. I'm currently getting 22 mpg city, and rarely ever go over 35% throttle anymore, and i'm shifting very easy. For me, that requires ALOT of self disipline I haven't had in the past.</STRONG>

HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!! LMAO!!!!!!

[Newsance]

LOL! This is the same guy that has blown A clutch, T/Case, and tranny in 6 months, yet doesn't drive his car hard.

I love it. He doesn't understand why everybody says he doesn't drive his car hard, because he obviously doesn't.... LOL!

[Steven89IROC]

Well, there is that one exception. :o
Other than that, I haven't been pissed, and i've been driving it nicely.

And Nuisance, I haven't talked to you in a long time, so if you don't like what i'm saying, close your fucking ears, or don't reply to my posts. I'm not talking to you. And once again, you are misinformed on more of that bullshit coming out of your mouth. I really don't give a fuck what you think of me or anything I say that's "stupid and old". Worry about your own business, jackass.

[Steven89IROC]

And I said in the last month, with that exception, not the last 8.

[Mike Harvey]

Originally posted by Steven89IrocTT:
<STRONG>And I said in the last month, with that exception, not the last 8.</STRONG>
Well what about those 2 races that you had less than a month ago????? Hmmmmmmm, let me refresh your memory I beleive it was a '67 Mustang & a Chevelle. I'm not trying to be an asshole to you but I just hate it when people lie.

[Newsance]

Originally posted by Steven89IrocTT:
<STRONG>
And Nuisance, I haven't talked to you in a long time, so if you don't like what i'm saying, close your fucking ears, or don't reply to my posts. I'm not talking to you. And once again, you are misinformed on more of that bullshit coming out of your mouth. I really don't give a fuck what you think of me or anything I say that's "stupid and old". Worry about your own business, jackass.</STRONG>


Whee! I am misinformed, even though I can bring up the post where you told me that you couldn't afford an extra $100 per month, you said to my face you couldn't make your car payment, you said to my face that you bought the tux for prom, and you showed me your two way radio you just bought.

But let me bring up what REALLY pisses me off. What really pisses me off is the fact that your ass came begging to me to BUY that AFC for you, because you hacked your maf and were destroying your car due to running lean, telling me that if I would just front the money that you would pay me back in a week, and how badly you needed this, THEN YOU SPEND THAT CASH ON SPEAKERS AND RUN WITH A FUCKED UP CAR FOR ANOTHER MONTH AND A HALF what would you have done if I HAD loaned you that money? If ANY of us had? You shouldn't have put any of us in that situation, especially when it was something you didn't even need.

[Fellfrosch]

Originally posted by Dave Z:
<STRONG>What kind of beat up car did I buy??? Just about the nicest thirdgen I have EVER seen. I am just trying to make my point that if you start modifying a car things are going to break. The previous owner was into racing and I was and am still into racing. I am not the kind of person who buys a fast car just to let it sit in my driveway and think about how fast it could go. Just look at Steven89IrocTT's name. I don't think he is that type of person either and I doubt that he will settle for a high 14/low 15 second car when it is at sea level. You can go on saying about treating a car right but if you want to go fast then you had better be able to pay for it when things break because they will. How can anyone expect a 10 year old car to be reliable? There is no guarantee when you are buying a car that has had 3 or 4 owners. Who knows what the previous owners have fixed and didn't tell anyone. Also you must remeber that the rear in thirdgens is extremely weak and won't stand up to much abuse, neither will the transmission because most likely the owner has never changed the fluid. You just have to expect and plan that something major will go wrong with the car and then you will be happy when it doesn't.</STRONG>

If you make a consious choice to buy a second hand car that you know has had 3 to 4 owners (or more) that you know nothing about, you may be asking for problems.

I've purchased all my cars privately as 1 to 2 owner cars, and if they were 2 owner cars I talked to the original owner as well. You can get a good feeling of how well a car has been looked after by getting to know the owners and looking at the cleanliness and condition of the interior and paint, and having a mechanic inspect it mechanicly. All my cars have been original paint as well which will show you how they've been treated on the outside, which is a good reflection of how they've been treated on the inside. And the owners have always had full receipts for all service done, and always at GM dealerships.

I'm not one to let a fast car sit in a driveway, going to waste either. My stack of timeslips from the local Drag Strip, and the SCCA Solo II senior license and Roadrace novice license in my wallet can attest to that.

A weekend of racing now and again doesn't harm a well looked after car. You only start breaking stuff when you start seriously modifying the engine to put out the power the transmission and rear were never designed to handle.

For a car to blow a tranny at 60k miles, it'd either be beaten on, neglected, or shipped with a faulty unit from the factory. And that's a problem that can turn up in brand new cars, so what can ya do? :confused:

[Steven89IROC]

That race was more than a month ago, and it was the last illegal one i've had, then there was bandimere which was the last time i've raced period. I admit, that was 5/5, so 3 weeks, not a month. Since then, and my little "highway rage", I have taken it easy, and I will continue to do so.
I don't mean to lie, sorry.

Jeff, I didn't say exactly all what you are misinformed about, because like I said, it's pointless to argue.
No, I can't afford $100 extra a month.
A Tux? $30 from SAVERS USED. WHOOPDEE FUCKING DOO. It was prom, it was supposed to be a night to remember, so i've heard.
Radio? $25. WHOOPDEE FUCKING DOO. I had the money, and it was on sale. OBTW, I didn't show it to you, I showed it to Pete and Dennis, you were just there.

My ass asked you nicely if you had extra money at the time, cause I thought you were my friend at the time, and I asked Pete. You both said you wouldn't do it, so I said OK. If you had, obviously you don't know me, but I keep my promises. You or anyone else would've gotten paid back 1 week later, more than you lent me, because i'm that way.
I found out that week (thanks to die-hard DSM guys on the internet) that it wasn't all out freakin important right away that I get it. All I had to deal with was the idle problem at COLD STARTUP. MY CAR WASN'T FUCKED UP.
The speakers I bought, I had planned on buying anyway, but they were running out fast because they were on closeout, and 70% off. $130, to be exact.
It wasn't A MONTH AND A HALF, it was TWO WEEKS. I got my tax return, ordered it, and got it a week and a half later.

I don't know why you turned out to be such an asshole, but you did. As you've said once before about some comments i've made, you should e-mail me with your concerns, not post all this bullshit all over the boards.
I recall me apologizing about it, cause I shouldn't have done it, now you're doing the same thing, CONSTANTLY. If you don't like me, leave me alone, don't try to get everyone else against me too. I don't come on here and post bullshit about you for no reason, so I would hope you wouldn't do the same.
This concludes another post that has wasted some of my time and energy.

[Black Beauty]

you are such a silly little boy.
im beginning to side with newsance. all you do is bitch bitch bitch about this and that, and yet instead of biting the bullet you want to act on impulse and make things worse.

waaah waaaah..i have to have a perfect thirdgen right away....i HAVE to take out an expensive loan instead of being smart, and being a MAN and doing what u have to do to get back on track. Sell your fuckin talon. Buy a beater. DONT EVEN LOOK FOR A THIRDGEN. SAVE UP 5000 DOLLARS....WHICH MEANS GET A JOB! AND THEN BUY A FUCKIN THIRDGEN. wisen up you dumbass. YOU are the one advertising your life on here. TRUE, all we know is what you post, but you post A LOT!
and here you are talkin about spending 75000 on a your TT project.
and how the fuck is a 350 gonna be cheaper than pedals, and clutch, and shifter???

sure a T56 itself is expensive....but your already gonna do that, suposedly, so that doesnt figure in.

all these guys on the boards with nice cars worked their asses off for what they have! You keep tryin to weasel your way into a good deal.

grow up. learn from your mistakes. be patient. Drive the truck for as long as possible. Then take the bus.

[condescending mode off]

[Da91Bird]

:stands and applauds:

[Newsance]

To bring this down to an even MORE babyish level, you started it.

It was you thats had the damn chip on your shoulder, your "Oh my god she is such a slut post", your "I don't give a shit what he runs on the bottle, nitrous is cheating, and I'll beat his ass" or your general cocksucking attitude about how much of a badass you are with your 14.8 talon.

I couldn't believe the amount of shit talking you did with that, telling everyone how fucking fast you are when they were .2 slower running on totally different days...

I laughed my ass off when Justin ran a 14.6 on your ass, after the amount of shit you gave him it was funny as hell...