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LT4XtremeBowTie6

01-11-2001, 02:07 PM

Ok. Here we go. The CHP (California Highway Patrol) pulls me over on surface streets. The officer claims my headlights are illegal because there is a "blue tint" to them. I have Superwhites which are legal in CA according to the vehicle code. Obviously, the lights are bright white with no yellow tint to them like standard headlights. The only "blue tint" to the lights was in the high beam housing beacuse the bulbs are light blue in color and when the low beam headlight reflects off the high beam the housing takes on a faint bluish color. The only way you can see it is if your up real close to it and looking at it at the right angle. Anyway, he also tells me that my reflectors are illegal because they're white in color and not amber as he said they have to be. Well, cops have hassled over this stuff befroe so I have a copy of the California Vehicle Code in my car so they have to she me the violation. So I Tell the officer that I think is incorrect and he says he knows hes right because "son, I know the law and you don't." So I sit in my car for 30 min while he "looks" up these violations and he comes back to my car and says that he ha to give me a verbal warning because he can't seem to find the actual violation in the vehicle code, but that I need to get them changed because they are illegal. So I ask him if that means that all vehicles with HID are therefore illegal becuase their lights show all colors of the spectrum at different angles. He gives me some bs response and then I show him my copy of the vehicle code and the section on reflectorization and he reads it and gives it back to me and walks off. He says nothing in the form of an "oh I was wrong" or "fuck you" or anything. So I got his name and badge number and am in the process of making a formal complaint. There's my story..........

firecop

01-11-2001, 06:27 PM

So, in fact, your story was a bunch of bullshit about the ticket! Because you never got one! Also, yes I can give tickets, or warnings with inspection required about NON DOT (dept of transportation) APPROVED LIGHTS! So maybe you don't know all the laws you may think.

LT4XtremeBowTie6

01-11-2001, 08:39 PM

By the way, the lights are DOT approved and and that still didn't make a difference with the officer. Don't test me on the laws. I know them, so don't play that bull shit. And even if aftermarket items are DOT approved cops still hassle you about them....... And I did get a ticket in a separate instance for a front corner indication because it was a blue bulb but the vehicle code staes nothing about the color of the bulb, only the color of the light it progects: "24953. (a) Any turn signal system used to give a signal of
intention to turn right or left shall project a flashing white or
amber light visible to the front and a flashing red or amber light
visible to the rear."
So take it easy. Maybe cops don't know anything after all..........

LT4XtremeBowTie6

01-11-2001, 08:40 PM

make that everything and not "anything"

01-12-2001, 03:03 AM

25950(c) All lamps and reflectors visible from the front, sides, or
rear of a vehicle, except headlamps, may have any unlighted color,
provided the emitted light from all lamps or reflected light from all
reflectors complies with the required color. Except for backup
lamps, the entire effective projected luminous area of lamps visible
from the rear or mounted on the sides near the rear of a vehicle
shall be covered by an inner lens of the required color when the
unlighted color differs from the required emitted light color.
Taillamps, stoplamps, and turn signal lamps that are visible to the
rear may be white when unlighted on vehicles manufactured before
January 1, 1974.

That means that your headlamps cannot appear to be any color other than white from any angle. And you're correct about the side marker lights. As long as they emit a white light, the bulb color itself does not matter.

Maybe you don't know everything.

01-12-2001, 03:04 AM

And I'll test you on the law anytime you wish.

firecop

01-12-2001, 03:53 AM

Anytime LT4! You wanna flame war and you'll get one. Are you telling me that TC and I don't know anything? Read your post again you were bullshitting!

LT4XtremeBowTie6

01-12-2001, 02:18 PM

Hey, Shakespeare.......Did you write the vehicle code? No.
"25950(c) All lamps and reflectors visible from the front, sides, or
rear of a vehicle, except headlamps, may have any unlighted color,
provided the emitted light from all lamps or reflected light from all
reflectors complies with the required color. Except for backup
lamps, the entire effective projected luminous area of lamps visible
from the rear or mounted on the sides near the rear of a vehicle
shall be covered by an inner lens of the required color when the
unlighted color differs from the required emitted light color.
Taillamps, stoplamps, and turn signal lamps that are visible to the
rear may be white when unlighted on vehicles manufactured before
January 1, 1974."

Notice that is says reflected light from all REFLECTORS. The emitted light form the headlamps is white. I'll try and post a pic to better clarify. This does not apply to the color of the bulbs. The actual housing is white. The color of the bulbs, again, is light blue. So when a cop takes his light and shines it on the housing, guess what..... it gets a blueish tint. Another question I have for either of you is about HID lighting. HID lighting projects several different colors of the light spectrum including blue and purple. So why aren't these illegal? My guess is that my vehicle was targeted because it is a lowered truck and the HP had nothing better to do. Bottom line is, as long as there is no section in the vehicle code stating my headlights are illegal, they aren't, and I'm sure as hell not gonna waste my time here while you try to tell me otherwise. I'll give you props though. Atleast you cops stick together and never admit when you're wrong.

kream

01-12-2001, 02:38 PM

That means that your headlamps cannot appear to be any color other than white from any angle.

"So when a cop takes his light and shines it on the housing, guess what..... it gets a blueish tint."

haha man this guy cracks me up...

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01-12-2001, 03:40 PM

Originally posted by LT4XtremeBowTie6:
Notice that is says reflected light from all REFLECTORS. 

lamps AND reflectors 

I think I see the problem here. It's a lack of basic paragraph comprehension skills.

Duckjob 3.0

01-12-2001, 05:21 PM

Originally posted by LT4XtremeBowTie6:
Don't test me on the laws. I know them, so don't play that bull shit. 

You're saying this to a COP...

You think you know the law, They are trained hard for years on the law. I wonder who believe...

Not the sharpest tool in the shed, are ya, chief?

firecop

01-12-2001, 07:02 PM

Ahh, here we go.... Pardon me, I've only had SEVERAL TOUHSAND HOURS TRAINING, so I must defer to your superior knowledge of the law. Let me tell you what it boils down to...if I don't like it, you get a ticket!

Ooops, sorry if I offended you but that's the way it is.

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LT4XtremeBowTie6

01-13-2001, 11:25 PM

No offense taken firecop.... But what it boils down to is this, whether my lights are actual HID or just simulated HID, the housing is WHITE. The buld is blue. It is not the emitted light which appears blue but the light that reflects off the unlighted high beam that gives the bluish effect. I still am wondering about this HID thing. No one has seemed to answer my question about it...........

LT4XtremeBowTie6

01-13-2001, 11:32 PM

This one goes out to all the scumf*cks who are butting the noses in where they don't belong. Pick up a copy of the vehicle code. It's a neat little book that has all the traffic laws written down in it. And, guess what you don't even need to a be a cop to get one. CAN YOU BELIEVE THAT? But wait, here's the kicker... It's called reading, top to bottom, left to right. You group words together to form a sentence. Take tylenol for any headaches, midol for any cramps. If you can read it, boom, you know the law. Doesn't take a genius to figure that one out. And guess what.... no literary interpretation needed.

kream

01-14-2001, 08:07 AM

"If you can read it, boom, you know the law. Doesn't take a genius to figure that one out. "

LMAO!!!!
man this guy never stops...
bwahah

lucas

01-16-2001, 08:54 AM

don't mind me, i'm just walking through, an' shit. http://www.3rdgen.org/ubb/smile.gif

MulletsRtheShit

01-17-2001, 10:25 AM

Originally posted by kream:
"So when a cop takes his light and shines it on the housing, guess what..... it gets a blueish tint."

haha man this guy cracks me up...
Why does he crack you up? Maybe because you don't have anything good to say because you know hes right? Thats the problem with this whole board, its people like you who just post shit because they don't have anything else to say. If the bulbs are legal then thats all there is to it. Cops are scum usually and people who try to kiss ass to them (you) really get in the way. Maybe if you read the post more clearly you'll see, jackass.

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firecop

01-17-2001, 10:59 AM

You're the shit and I'm scum? I'm missing the point here!

kream

01-17-2001, 08:37 PM

"Why does he crack you up?"
because he just answered his own question..

"Maybe because you don't have anything good to say because you know hes right?"

what exactly is he 'right' about?

"Thats the problem with this whole board, its people like you who just post shit because they don't have anything else to say."

dont like it here? leave...

"If the bulbs are legal then thats all there is to it."

if thats the case then why is this guy on here trying to prove how 'manly' he is by trying to convince everyone else how 'wrong and stupid' cops are.

"Cops are scum usually and people who try to kiss ass to them (you) really get in the way."

its funny how two faced people turn out to be when they actually NEED the cops..
oh and if im in your 'way' feel free to go around..

"Maybe if you read the post more clearly you'll see, jackass."

*GASP*
JACKASS????
oh my god... that is the most derogatory word i have EVER been called in my life *bows head*

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LT4XtremeBowTie6

01-17-2001, 10:43 PM

KREAM: What EXACTLY am i wrong about????

kream

01-18-2001, 07:23 AM

the only thing you were 'wrong' about is the way you asked your question, and the way your 'badass' attitude came off..

"Why is it that cops think they can give you a fix it ticket for any aftermarket modification on your vehicle and then they get pissed off when you pull out your copy of the vehicle code to show themn how wrong and
stupid they are? "

i would have reworded it to...

"Why do I always get troubled by the cops about my blue head lights (that are legal) and the people who drive around with the hid lights from the factory do not?"

im betting you would have been surprised at the responses you got...
also believe it or not those headlights may help YOU see better.. but what about the other people driving around?? i know some of these honda's with blue lights damn near BLIND me! you may as well be driving around with your high beams on!

kream

01-18-2001, 07:25 AM

this is a board to HELP you, not for you to try to show how badass you are to a cop (that did nothing to you)
i'm betting this goes along with the 'hidden behind a computer' thing...
im guessing when you pulled out the papers for your headlights you didnt say "look how stupid you are"

MulletsRtheShit

01-18-2001, 01:33 PM

How about "jackfuck", is that better kream?

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LT4XtremeBowTie6

01-18-2001, 01:42 PM

I'm sorry. Were you sitting in the passenger's seat with me? No. And don't assume that I have blue healights. They're white. And to prove it I'll ttry and take some pics. Don't ever compare my truck to a ricer. Maybe it would be different if you lived in California. But the only thing you gotta worry about in Kansas is having your trailer blow away when the next tornado hits.

kream

01-18-2001, 02:20 PM

Originally posted by LT4XtremeBowTie6:
I'm sorry. Were you sitting in the passenger's seat with me? No. And don't assume that I have blue healights. They're white. And to prove it I'll ttry and take some pics. Don't ever compare my truck to a ricer. Maybe it would be different if you lived in California. But the only thing you gotta worry about in Kansas is having your trailer blow away when the next tornado hits.

i dont own a trailer.. i must be behind times http://www.3rdgen.org/ubb/frown.gif
btw obviously your headlights are not white or they would not have papers to prove that they are legal... my WHITE oem headlights dont have any papers that prove theyre legal... maybe because there is NO DOUBT that they are WHITE..

Jason86Z28

01-18-2001, 02:51 PM

LT4, I don't know about the superwhites exactly, but EVERY simulated HID light I've seen on the market clearly states right on the box "For offroad use only" which means, blue lights are illegal and for ricers

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Jason86Z28

01-18-2001, 02:55 PM

I take it back, I just looked up the PIAA superwhites and they are 50 state road legal, they just barely fit into the spectrum under what is suppodely considered blue light.

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kream

01-18-2001, 03:25 PM

also i may add... since its so hard to deal with life in california.. then why did you buy headlights that you KNEW you would get hassled for?

Jason86Z28

01-18-2001, 04:36 PM

I just realized your lowered truck is most likely an Xtreme S10, in which case you should've been pulled over for sheer stupidity, trucks are made for hauling shit, sports cars are made for speed, not the other way around!

from Merriam Webster:

truck [3] (noun)

[probably back-formation from truckle small wheel -- more at TRUCKLE BED]

First appeared 1611

1 : a small wheel; specifically : a small strong wheel for a gun carriage

2 : a small wooden cap at the top of a flagstaff or masthead usu. having holes for reeving flag or signal halyards

3 : a wheeled vehicle for moving heavy articles: as

a : a strong horse-drawn or automotive vehicle for hauling

b : a small barrow consisting of a rectangular frame having at one end a pair of handles and at the other end a pair of small heavy wheels and a projecting edge to slide under a load -- called also hand truck

c : a small heavy rectangular frame supported on four wheels for moving heavy objects

d : a small flat-topped car pushed or pulled by hand

e : a shelved stand mounted on casters

f : an automotive vehicle with a short chassis equipped with a swivel for attaching a trailer and used esp. for the highway hauling of freight; also : a truck with attached trailer

4 a British : an open railroad freight car

b : a swiveling carriage consisting of a frame with one or more pairs of wheels and springs to carry and guide one end (as of a railroad car) in turning sharp curves

-- truck*ful (noun)

sports car (noun)

First appeared 1928

: a low small usu. 2-passenger automobile designed for quick response, easy maneuverability, and high-speed driving

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LT4XtremeBowTie6

01-18-2001, 05:48 PM

I,ll put my Xtreme up against your 86 pos anyday.

Jason86Z28

01-18-2001, 09:29 PM

I didn't say mine was any faster, its an anemic V8, but for the same amount of money you could've either bought a real truck or a real car, trucks made to go fast are almost as bad as SUV's in my opinion, the only thing that makes them not as bad is they're not as much of a waste of plastic & sheet metal.

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LT4XtremeBowTie6

01-22-2001, 12:19 AM

Same amount of money??? Tell me, how much did my "vehicle" cost????

AQUABATZ

01-22-2001, 03:35 AM

I did'nt read this post, just saying "hi".

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As for an 84' Mustang, do you think it actually is a real Mustang. HOpefully you know when it says Mustang on it thats all it does, just SAYS Mustang. It has no such image to make it go fast or look cool. A girlfriend will take care of that for ya'. Good luck. Newsance's 84' Mustang

01-28-2001, 10:34 PM

Wow you guys are having fun. http://www.3rdgen.org/ubb/smile.gif

Big454blockchevy

02-02-2001, 12:28 AM

Just my .02 cents. Not all cops are worthy of wearing a uniform. Especially the small town police departments who have alot of big city rejects working for them. Alot of cops are power hungry and believe me they do have the power. The thing they need to realize is that the law applies to everyone the same.

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Lurker

02-02-2001, 04:38 AM

454, I have to agree with you, though from what I have seen those cops are not on this board. I was talking to a local small town chief and he was saying that he was two people short on his shifts, but that was actually a good thing because they are people who shouldn't be cops. He also refered to about 6 other people who shouldn't be cops that are now working at different places, including several of the cops in the department (a small department) that pulled me over once. Oh well, TC and Firecop are good guys :-) So basically, you could of just gotten a bad cop!
Later,
Lurker

Vanhecht

02-15-2001, 07:58 PM

Let's see here...you complain about those who bust their asses to keep you from being killed, or inconvenenced even, and you get mad over headlights? There are a few bad apples in every bunch, but look at yourselves! You deserve a whooping just for being lame retards who can't accept that you ARE BEING PROTECTED BY THOSE YOU HARRASS! Get over yourselves!

FAST RS

02-15-2001, 09:00 PM

MOST cops who have pulle dme over have been assholes ive been pulled over for going 44 in a 45 zone when i knew a cop was behind me and once becasue i "hesitated" makeing a right turn out of all the 15 times ive been pulled over i deserved 2 tickets. They were when i just turned 16 and was dumb. Like one night me and my firnds wer ein a parking lot and my frinds car looksEXACTLY like mine and he burned out and took off and i floored it doin 75 in a empty parking lot ran a stop sign and the cop was right tere pulel dme over talked ot me and i aplogised never did it again i lernt my lesson. So out of 15 times gettin pulled over ive met 4 cool cops.
TC what would you do if you pulled someone over and they had a fresh box of doughnuts and offerd you one or the box? me and my friend when we have doughnuts want to get pulled over and ask the coop if he wants one regardless if we get a ticket or not im jsut curious tho.

Big454blockchevy

02-18-2001, 08:56 PM

Vanhecht kissing arse are we? Loser!

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Big454blockchevy

02-18-2001, 09:08 PM

Vanhecht kissing arse are we?

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Vanhecht

02-19-2001, 12:51 PM

If that's the best you can come back with 454 then i have overestimated your intelligence. Some people have these things called principles, and when they stick to them, stupid people tend to get confused and make stupid remarks. See how that works?

Big454blockchevy

02-19-2001, 03:56 PM

vANHECHT GET REAL. DOES PLAYING KISSY MAKE YOU INTELLIGENT? LOSER!! http://www.3rdgen.org/ubb/biggrin.gif

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Big454blockchevy

02-19-2001, 04:11 PM

Vanhecht who's the intelligent one when one of us doesn't want to accept the reality of life. You can keep telling yourself how smart you think you are but deep down you know your out of touch with the real world. I wish everything in life was perfect but I am smart enough to realize it's not and I adapt to it. Unlike some dumb asses in here. http://www.3rdgen.org/ubb/biggrin.gif http://www.3rdgen.org/ubb/biggrin.gif http://www.3rdgen.org/ubb/biggrin.gif

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