Turbochargers

[reefer]

Hey, i was just wondering if anyone knew who makes Turbo for a 3rd gen V6, if anyone does. Plus if anyone could recommend some semi-cheap mods for us v6 folk. thanks - nick

[Chris84SC]

They make superchargers. I'm sure paxton or someone has a kit. Some cheap mods would be a bigger cam, stall converter, headers, and ported heads(with bigger valves if you can find them).

[Stutz]

You can't get much of a horsepower increase out of the V6. If you really want an increase, sell your car and get a V8 in the same model. The price difference is only like $3-500.

[reefer]

Nah, im gonna stick with my v6, I plan on getting rid of it alittle after high school. Im content with it right now, I just want like 20-30hp more and ill be happy. I also read up alittle more on turbochargers and I think id rather go with a supercharger but there pretty expensive. Who knows. thanks to those who replied - later

[Stutz]

Yeah, I understand, I am keeping my V6 until I get a decent paying job and am out of college. I can barely afford gas as it is. It doesn't help that my girlfriend lives 3 hours away.

There is an electronic supercharger type thing that is easy to install and pretty cheap, but I can't remember the name of it.

[Stutz]

I found some info on the turbo thing.

<a href="http://turbo-car.com/main/low.htm" target="_blank">http://turbo-car.com/main/low.htm</a>

<a href="http://turbo-car.com/main/main1.htm" target="_blank">http://turbo-car.com/main/main1.htm</a>

I would look into it more before getting it, but that is a start. I am considering one, but I doubt I will get it.

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[reefer]

hmm, that electronic turbo looks interesting. it looked like it was made specifically for imports but who knows, ill definetly try and do some research on it soon.

[Chris84SC]

Keep in mind turbos go for $2000-$3000.

[Camaro_hunter_d]

A turbo GP(Grand Prix) made 205HP/225Trq and ran 15.3 1/4. 89-90 model years.


I had bought a Mercedes Turbo and had started the fab work to put onto my 92 3.1 5 speed. But after taking the exhaust section apart I found the exhaust turbines were shot. New plan as this was discovered. Mill the old turbine off and press a timing pully onto the shaft. So I went looking and found a timing/Water pump pully to press onto the shaft. I also have gotten 2 cam gear pullies to mount togeather and then you have an instant centrifugal supercharger. Boost would be controlled by a Turbo BOV(Blow of Valve) and if the PSI was not enough adjust the BOV. The gears I have now are roughly 4-1 4 turns shaft per tun of crank. So absolute PSI gain is no problem. And the headach of exhaust routing is gone too!.

I also have a intercooler from a Probe!?, to help PSI remain cool.

So far the costs... 51 turbo.... 61 intercooler... gears.,.. free.

[jacthesnake]

i tried doing the same thing you did, how are you planing on getting around the computer problem, if you just mount it up, you're going to have detonation problems, you might have to convert to a prom from a fiero.

[Camaro_hunter_d]

Originally posted by jacthesnake
i tried doing the same thing you did, how are you planing on getting around the computer problem, if you just mount it up, you're going to have detonation problems, you might have to convert to a prom from a fiero. I replied to your PM and answeed this there, but for the rest of the board.

Computer Problem. What computer problem? It will run the engine with a mild amount of boost. 5-10 no prob. If you DO develope a prob, get a ECM from a 89-90 Grand Prix. Yes it till bolt/Snap in. It is the same as the 1227730 that the 90-92 Camaros use. The G/P ECM is a 1227727. The '7730 is just a more durable version of the same ECM though.

Detonation prob's. Computer can compinsate for more then you think. if you start running really high PSI (like I do after a rebuild with a mixture of parts) you can add a Boost retard from MSD, of other company. OR if your REAL good, make one yourself. Right now I am looking at making a MSD type ingition system WITH crank trigger for around 90 bucks and have it thumping out 70,000 volts. Yes I said 70,000. That will take care of any spark problems that I see. Another way I am controlling detonation is the use of an intercooler.

The Fiero Prom will do no good for our car. If your gonna get a prom, get on from the afore mentioned 89-90 Turbo Grand Prix.

Now the gears I am looking at are not from a 3rd gen. the smaler gear is from the water pump of a accord. 90? I believe. The same with the timing gears, they are from the same year accord, or something like that. When all is said and done my car will have parts from close to 9 different automotive companies. But hey as long as I get the 14.5 1/4 mile who cares?.


Ps the rebuild I plan on using the 2mm shorter stroke 2.8 crank with 10:1 forged pistons. The 2.8 had 2 cranks. 1 was the same as the 3.1, the other has smaller 63MM? main bearings and has a 2mm shorter stroke. With some basic calulations that SHOULD come out to around upper 7's:1 which is great for 18 PSI.... then you start seeing Irocs doing this... :cry: cause they just got smoked by a V6!. :D

[mdv6man]

If you use the earlier style crankshaft in a later style block, won.t you need oversize bearings for the correct clearances?

[89camaroRSV6]

Originally posted by mdv6man
If you use the earlier style crankshaft in a later style block, won.t you need oversize bearings for the correct clearances?
This is CHD, yes I will need to get oversized bearings.

[suicidalracing]

Originally posted by reefer
hmm, that electronic turbo looks interesting. it looked like it was made specifically for imports but who knows, ill definetly try and do some research on it soon.


DO NOT i repeat DO NOT use those electronic things. They were designed for honda motors and are basically an electric fan that goes into the intake tube and "pushes" the air through a little better i had a buddy who had one and said high end it was pretty good until the plastic decided to start to fall apart and ended up being sucked into the motor. Had to pull the top end of the motor apart to get all the plastic crap out of it. He is not the only one i have heard this happening to apparently it was a big problem with almost every one sold. Not discouraging you that they dont work the company may have changed but just be careful what u do to it. I was wanting to supercharge mine when i had it paxton does make a kit pretty hard core $$ though i ended up finishing my 350 tpi build and then put a turbonetics turbocharger on it. The turbo kit was about 2500 i had a buddy of mine fab up a custom exhaust manifold to feed *** turbo plus the rebuild of the motor. So about $5k into it i was hitting 12.69's at over 100 mph until i threw the turbine shaft and ended up getting my 2500 back from turbonetics. My advice if you want Quality go through turbonetics they stand behind all their kits and i had no problem sending it in and getting my cash back because it was a manufacturers error. I dont know how much a 6 banger will take i know my 350 was running at 18 psi of boost with stock internals.

[speedinracer]

Originally posted by suicidalracing
DO NOT i repeat DO NOT use those electronic things. They were designed for honda motors and are basically an electric fan that goes into the intake tube and "pushes" the air through a little better i had a buddy who had one and said high end it was pretty good until the plastic decided to start to fall apart and ended up being sucked into the motor. Had to pull the top end of the motor apart to get all the plastic crap out of it. He is not the only one i have heard this happening to apparently it was a big problem with almost every one sold. Not discouraging you that they dont work the company may have changed but just be careful what u do to it. I was wanting to supercharge mine when i had it paxton does make a kit pretty hard core $$ though i ended up finishing my 350 tpi build and then put a turbonetics turbocharger on it. The turbo kit was about 2500 i had a buddy of mine fab up a custom exhaust manifold to feed *** turbo plus the rebuild of the motor. So about $5k into it i was hitting 12.69's at over 100 mph until i threw the turbine shaft and ended up getting my 2500 back from turbonetics. My advice if you want Quality go through turbonetics they stand behind all their kits and i had no problem sending it in and getting my cash back because it was a manufacturers error. I dont know how much a 6 banger will take i know my 350 was running at 18 psi of boost with stock internals.

B.S.... the plastic thing didnt fall apart and no one had to pull the top end off. You are a funny guy mr.suicidalracing, there is no proof that you had a turbo becasue you never showed anyone under the hood of your car not even your own "team members" becasue it was "too dirty to see". Your time slip looks like a fake, it doesnt show your 60' or anything besides 1/4 time and MPH. Now before you retort and say that you can kill my Automatic Mitsubishi Eclipse GS...remeber that I have NEVER said anything to the sort of that it is fast. :finger: To the thread starter I;m sure with enough money and searching around you could surey find a Turbo kit or custom kit that would suit your needs, If all else fails get some nitrous.

[suicidalracing]

Let me tell everyone that speedin here only became a member because i showed him the almighty house of burlesque forum. I worked with a guy who had a 90 accord with one of those cause it sat behind big bear for a week before he could get it towed. 2k worth of damage i could get him to sign on and admit it.

[duranged]

yes there is someone who makes a turbo kit for 2.8's and 3.1's, but only for a limited time, he is a member of tgo, named doward, and believe it or not, its a very good kit, gives around 255hp and 300ft tq, and uses a t-61 turbo, the kit comes with EVERYTHING needed, includes turbo, wastegate, bov, custom ecm, 30lb/hr accel injectors, all piping from air filter to intake and from maniflods to cat, all brackets and wires needed, full hardware kit, and oil lines for the turbo, it runs about 2900-3100, and takes about 4-7 hrs to install, its set up for 6-9psi, but will handle upto 15psi, only available til the end of april, guy did all the research and all the fabricating, and testing, its a group buy thing and he needs at least 10 buyers, but its a one shot deal, however u can get the kit from him wothout the turbo,wastegate and bov. which will bring the cost down to 1295, and find ur own to use. it is a well put together and well thought out kit.,he's also working on an better breathing intake manifold and bigger throttle body kit, because thats where the 60* loses hp the most, is in the intake.

[nightrider]

wow....

the "turbo expert" in here knows nothing about turbos and shouldn't be telling anyone how to setup a system.

The cetrigual superchager he's making is somewhat neat but there's a complete lack of knowledge about everything about it. oh well.

If anyone really is serious about building a turbo motor, i'd gladly spend some time to try educate you, but most likely its just all talk like everyone and his grandma who currently has a stock car but it's going to be a 454 with a procharger soon.

[thx_one]

I wanted to do the turbo thing to my car but man it would take alot of work and some pretty deep pockets. GM performance parts has many nice go-"fast" parts for the 60* V6's. It would be no problem to get near 250hp out of a 3.1 with their stuff, why would you need more then that from a V6? If more power is needed just by a 350, it would be cheaper in the long run to get good power out of it rather then going balls to the wall on a V6 that probably wont last as long with all the mods you would have to do to it. $2000-$3000+ for a turbo kit and you MAY get 250-300hp but for $3,895.95 you can have a GM crate motor ZZ4 with 355hp and 405lbs of tq!! (Summit Racing) See where I am going? It just makes better since. 3rd gens are ment to have a V8 anyway in my opinion.