Exhaust Manifolds

[firebirdse1985]

my exhaust manifolds are literally falling apart after 20 years of abuse and torture. does anyone know of a place you can get them cheap (these would be for the 2.8L MPFI v6)? I was going to post in the classifieds but I figured I'd try here first. thanks. :)

[Nate Dog 69]

get some pace setter headers w/y-pipe. it'll hook right up to your existing exhasut

[firebirdse1985]

how much about?

[cotterpin]

for painted headers, hedman makes some for the v-6 231. im guessing thats the 3.4. they are now...
$177.30, they retail at $420. thats off Advance auto parts,

if anything hookup with redraif, she has a 2.8, and just put on a 3" exhaust.........yeah i know. So I imagine she put on headers so you could probably get her old manifolds real cheap

[MonteC]

Originally posted by cotterpin
for painted headers, hedman makes some for the v-6 231. im guessing thats the 3.4. they are now...
$177.30, they retail at $420. thats off Advance auto parts,

if anything hookup with redraif, she has a 2.8, and just put on a 3" exhaust.........yeah i know. So I imagine she put on headers so you could probably get her old manifolds real cheap

you dumb fuck. the 231 is the buick 3.8.

will you stop posting wrong and incorrect information on our tech bords. you fucking idiot.

[cotterpin]

go to hedman, they have it listed as a chevy camaro engine fucktard

[MonteC]

Originally posted by cotterpin
go to hedman, they have it listed as a chevy camaro engine fucktard


no your wrong.

oh and the 3.4 is a dual overhead cam engine, NOT avaible in any camaro.

dumbass


ya see i actually know things about cars, you on the other hand look at some 3rd hand information and pass if off as fact when it isnt.

your an idiot.

[CamaroGirl5.0]

I checked the Hedman site, yeah its listed there, and its also wrong. Learn some facts first.

He asked for a 2.8 anyway, and 2.8 is NOT a 231.

[MonteC]

oh yeah stupid mcfuckface here is some real information:

2.8l v6 173ci

3.1 v6 191ci

3.8 v6 231ci (buick)

3.4 v6 204ci (dohc, bastard design from the 3.1 pushrod)

4.3 v6 262ci (basically a 350 with the two back cylinders chopped off.)


did you learn something you stupid peice of crap? i hope so, now STFU!

[costill92rs]

hey, monte, they did make a 3.4 in the camaros in 93-95 it was pushrod
pretty much the same one used in the grand am from 99 on

the ohv and dohc designs were similar basic design carrying over from the 2.8 originating in the early 80s

and mcdamcotterfuck you are still a waste of sperm and teh suxor at the internet

that is all

[MonteC]

Originally posted by costill92rs
hey, monte, they did make a 3.4 in the camaros in 93-95 it was pushrod


the ohv and dohc designs were similar basic design carrying over from the 2.8 originating in the early 80s



i said the 3.4 dohc was never available in a camaro.

i had just forgoten about the 3.4 pushrod. damn me im stupid.

hold on... are you saying that the ohv and dohc were similar designs?

the 3.1 came first, then gm took the 3.1 bored it out then retrofitted it with dohc stuff and plugged the hole where the cam shaft would have been. (very crude explaination)

[costill92rs]

i misunderstood 'cause im slow

[cotterpin]

my point was it should fit and hedman has it listed as 78-87, which means it will fit his 85, the blocks shouldn't be all that much dissimiliar as far as the cylinder heads go. granted it will be a little much on the flow side and slow down the exhaust's air speed but..............as long as it mounts it will work

[CamaroGirl5.0]

Blah blah the post above still makes no sense and blah blah blah.

Just shut up with your so-called tech advice.

[MonteC]

Originally posted by cotterpin
my point was it should fit and hedman has it listed as 78-87, which means it will fit his 85, the blocks shouldn't be all that much dissimiliar as far as the cylinder heads go. granted it will be a little much on the flow side and slow down the exhaust's air speed but..............as long as it mounts it will work

no they are different. please just stop trying, you are wrong and you know nothing.

the 2.8 is a 60* v6 while the 3.8 is a 90* v6.

the 231 headman refers to is the 3.8l found in grand nationals and regals.

not the 173, 60* 2.8L that this thread is about.

read about it here. http://www.biography.ms/List_of_GM_engines.html

[costill92rs]

Originally posted by MonteC
i said the 3.4 dohc was never available in a camaro.

i had just forgoten about the 3.4 pushrod. damn me im stupid.

hold on... are you saying that the ohv and dohc were similar designs?

the 3.1 came first, then gm took the 3.1 bored it out then retrofitted it with dohc stuff and plugged the hole where the cam shaft would have been. (very crude explaination)

from what i remember, the 3.4 dohc and the 2.8/3.1/3.4 were similar design.
the old 2.8 that had a distributor, all they did was plug that up, if you look even on a brand new 3.4 ohv they still have that cover, and im almost positive that the 3.4 dohc did too.
both ohv and dohc designs are 60*

on a side note, even though these engines are fairly reliable if treated decent, i have never seen an engine that needed intake manifold leaks fixed more often
when i worked at the pontiac/gmc dealer, i had a brand new in 2000 grand am 3.4 that was already leaking at 14 miles

[CamaroGirl5.0]

Originally posted by cotterpin
go to hedman, they have it listed as a chevy camaro engine fucktard

The 231 3.8 was available in the Camaro from 95-02.


http://chevrolet-camaro.biography.ms/

[MonteC]

Originally posted by costill92rs
from what i remember, the 3.4 dohc and the 2.8/3.1/3.4 were similar design.
the old 2.8 that had a distributor, all they did was plug that up, if you look even on a brand new 3.4 ohv they still have that cover, and im almost positive that the 3.4 dohc did too.
both ohv and dohc designs are 60*

on a side note, even though these engines are fairly reliable if treated decent, i have never seen an engine that needed intake manifold leaks fixed more often
when i worked at the pontiac/gmc dealer, i had a brand new in 2000 grand am 3.4 that was already leaking at 14 miles

oh ok. i thought you were saying that ohv and dohc were similar.

yeah the basic designs are the same b/c they share the same block. all four of those engines share the same block.

and yes the did plug up the dist hole, and like i said earlier they pugged up were the cam was too.

[MonteC]

Originally posted by MonteC
no they are different. please just stop trying, you are wrong and you know nothing.

the 2.8 is a 60* v6 while the 3.8 is a 90* v6.

the 231 headman refers to is the 3.8l found in grand nationals and regals.

not the 173, 60* 2.8L that this thread is about.

read about it here. http://www.biography.ms/List_of_GM_engines.html

and to add, i was thinking about it and 78-87 sounds alot like a 3rd and 4th gen Gbody. although the 4th gen ran until 88.

the 3rd and 4th gen gbody were very similar, just different styling. so the 3.8 was available in the buicks as rear wheel drive until 87 -88. so headman probably has thier info messed up.

[Nate Dog 69]

what these last 50 posts are trying to say is call up jegs or Summet & ask how much for Pace Setter headers for yourcar. They are nazi CARB legal, and also come in coated versions. They come w/y-pipe to hook up w/your exhaust.

FWIW, this is the first time I've really read about teh 3800Sereis II engine referred to as a 231. Also, off topic, the 2.8 & teh Series II engine have the same bell housing pattern.

[MonteC]

Originally posted by Nate Dog 69
what these last 50 posts are trying to say is call up jegs or Summet & ask how much for Pace Setter headers for yourcar. They are nazi CARB legal, and also come in coated versions. They come w/y-pipe to hook up w/your exhaust.

FWIW, this is the first time I've really read about teh 3800Sereis II engine referred to as a 231. Also, off topic, the 2.8 & teh Series II engine have the same bell housing pattern.


nobody was talking about the series 2 3800.

[Nate Dog 69]

Originally posted by CamaroGirl5.0
The 231 3.8 was available in the Camaro from 95-02.


http://chevrolet-camaro.biography.ms/

[MonteC]

Originally posted by Nate Dog 69


I see. must have missed that post.

[cotterpin]

i am sorry i have to admit when i am, wrong granted it will fit the car but the headers are not cut to fit the engine.

[MonteC]

ha, bought fucking time.

[MonteC]

Originally posted by cotterpin
i am sorry i have to admit when i am, wrong granted it will fit the car but the headers are not cut to fit the engine.

close your almost there. no these headers wont fit that car either.

headmans information is messed up. why would they lump a less than half of the 2nd gens and more than half of the 3rd gens togher?

their not similar.

so no these headers shouldnt fit the car they are talking about.

like i said it looks like headman fucked up and it should be a buick, not a camaro.

all it takes is some common since ryan. you should try using common sense more often.

[Nate Dog 69]

Originally posted by MonteC
I see. must have missed that post.

It snuck in there almost undedected.


From http://www.pacesetterexhaust.com/headers_detail.htm


Camaro - NEW 85-90 2.8L 1-1/2" 2-1/4"

1, 3, 6, 11
G7208 70-1206 72C1206

They don't list the 91~92 models due to a different egr, but it's the same damn eader/exhaust manifld.

[MonteC]

Originally posted by Nate Dog 69
It snuck in there almost undedected.


From http://www.pacesetterexhaust.com/headers_detail.htm


Camaro - NEW 85-90 2.8L 1-1/2" 2-1/4"

1, 3, 6, 11
G7208 70-1206 72C1206

They don't list the 91~92 models due to a different egr, but it's the same damn eader/exhaust manifld.


thank you for that correct and accurate information.

unlike what cotterpin post.

[firebirdse1985]

lol damn, I didnt mean to start a fight here. But I have to say, soo far everything I've read from MonteC has been dead on. The 2.8L v6 is a 173 ci multi-port FI 60* chevy small block (from what I've been told/read).

[Nate Dog 69]

^^^ and the 82~84 were the carbed versions. Never heard of the engine called a small block (6) before.

[IndyTruck]

Hey, if you're done reading the blindingly brilliant "tech" in this thread, do you want a set of stock 2.8 Camaro manifolds? I've got a set. $25 + shipping? Can send tomorrow if you paypal.

Please email me at vfr700f2 (at) hotmail (dot) com

later
kevin

[Nate Dog 69]

yes, bec uase knowing the actual part number of an exhaust upgrade is bad tech...........

[redraif]

Originally posted by cotterpin
for painted headers, hedman makes some for the v-6 231. im guessing thats the 3.4. they are now...
$177.30, they retail at $420. thats off Advance auto parts,

if anything hookup with redraif, she has a 2.8, and just put on a 3" exhaust.........yeah i know. So I imagine she put on headers so you could probably get her old manifolds real cheap

Well not like anyone really cares, but my car has a 3.4 from a 95 Camaro in it. I just swaped the block and used the 2.8 top end stuff, include dist. Kept stock comp. Though I finally have a new custom chip, need to test it! Has helped the rich problem I had from the 19lb injectors!

On the headers...PF&E made my headers. I have replaced their y-pipe, which only 2inch primaries, with a mandrel bend y-pipe with 2.5inch primaries flowing to a 3in single mandrel bent system all the way back......"yeah I know"..... I only gained 15HP and 18Ft#s of TQ. Guess that is a pointless mod in your book. In mine, well needed. New custom intake will make great use of it!

My old manifolds were mildly ported and the exterior slicked and coated, so no on the real cheap. Take the above guys offer. Mine I might sell to a friend who has a 88 Camaro she is showing and has not done anything with her manifolds yet! These would help dress hers up. She does not want to get headers right now!

[MonteC]

Originally posted by firebirdse1985
lol damn, I didnt mean to start a fight here. But I have to say, soo far everything I've read from MonteC has been dead on. The 2.8L v6 is a 173 ci multi-port FI 60* chevy small block (from what I've been told/read).

no its not a small block v6 its just a 60* v6.

small block is reserved for the small block v8's i.e. 263, 305, 327, 350, 400 ci v8's

but thanks for the compliments. :thumbup:

[MonteC]

Originally posted by IndyTruck
Hey, if you're done reading the blindingly brilliant "tech" in this thread, do you want a set of stock 2.8 Camaro manifolds? I've got a set. $25 + shipping? Can send tomorrow if you paypal.

Please email me at vfr700f2 (at) hotmail (dot) com

later
kevin

hey dumbass shut the fuck up... i think ill send you an email to.

[Nate Dog 69]

I care Raif, as I have done the 3.4 swap too.

[redraif]

Here is a pic of that intake I was talking about...should be shipped to me by Wed. Hopefully we can get it installed quickly and see what it does for my numbers!

Note this is a trueleo intake. Mine is the first F-body version made. These guys started out on Fieros. We talked them into making a custom special order version for me. The version they will produce for the f-body will have a smaller dia and different shape pipe between the TB and the plenum.