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Cashmunson
11-17-2004, 01:35 PM
did you did you hear that thunder?

Cashmunson
11-17-2004, 01:35 PM
you better run you better take cover

Cashmunson
11-17-2004, 01:35 PM
man that's a damn good song

Cashmunson
11-17-2004, 01:35 PM
i think it's time i dance if i want to

Cashmunson
11-17-2004, 01:35 PM
you can dance if you want to

Cashmunson
11-17-2004, 01:36 PM
we can dance if you want to, we can leave your friends behind, cause your friends don't dance and if they don't dance then they're no friends of mine

Cashmunson
11-17-2004, 01:37 PM
we can go if we want to, night is young and so am i

Cashmunson
11-17-2004, 01:37 PM
we can dance we can dance, everythings out of control

Cashmunson
11-17-2004, 01:37 PM
too bad you can't put in files to play music like midis but better

Cashmunson
11-17-2004, 01:39 PM
judgement day motha fucka

as i walk in the shadow of death

Cashmunson
11-17-2004, 01:40 PM
can't we all get along

Cashmunson
11-17-2004, 01:40 PM
yuuuummmm what's this smell like fish

Cashmunson
11-17-2004, 01:41 PM
grim reaper ballin... judgement day

Cashmunson
11-17-2004, 01:41 PM
you can't fuck wit meth or red

Cashmunson
11-17-2004, 01:45 PM
new yorks finest

Cashmunson
11-17-2004, 01:46 PM
360 will be mine

Cashmunson
11-17-2004, 01:46 PM
or i'll be pissed

sc1twntrbo
11-17-2004, 01:48 PM
im tired

sc1twntrbo
11-17-2004, 01:48 PM
will you

sc1twntrbo
11-17-2004, 01:49 PM
what would you do

Cashmunson
11-17-2004, 01:49 PM
must have it

Ziggster
11-17-2004, 01:49 PM
Uh Riiiigggghhhhtttt

Cashmunson
11-17-2004, 01:49 PM
it is mine!

sc1twntrbo
11-17-2004, 01:49 PM
if someone else got it

Ziggster
11-17-2004, 01:50 PM
Ok you got 360 now what?

cumstang02
11-17-2004, 01:50 PM
happy dance :lala:

Cashmunson
11-17-2004, 01:52 PM
now i shall gloat, i should build my engine to 360

Cashmunson
11-17-2004, 01:52 PM
T&A

Cashmunson
11-17-2004, 01:53 PM
:powpow:

Cashmunson
11-17-2004, 01:54 PM
too good to whore with us anymore cumstand

Ziggster
11-17-2004, 04:59 PM
that was a short lived whore session

Ziggster
11-18-2004, 04:00 PM
It must not die!!! Whore dammit whore!!!

cheyenne383
11-18-2004, 04:25 PM
We made it 348 pages and over 10,000 posts before you showed up, don't tell us what to do. :kickass:

Ziggster
11-18-2004, 09:20 PM
Originally posted by cheyenne383
We made it 348 pages and over 10,000 posts before you showed up, don't tell us what to do. :kickass:

Quit acting like a little bitch I'm just trying to have a little fun

cheyenne383
11-18-2004, 11:54 PM
Originally posted by Ziggster
Quit acting like a little bitch I'm just trying to have a little fun

I'm not the little bitch, mutha fucka!!! You are the new peon so post up and take the abuse.

Ziggster
11-19-2004, 12:16 AM
is that how it works i am here for you to abuse me for your own pleasure, why didn't you just say so

cheyenne383
11-19-2004, 12:18 AM
Because you're such a big boy and figured it out on your own. :bravo:

Ziggster
11-19-2004, 12:23 AM
:lala:

Cashmunson
11-19-2004, 05:17 PM
this thread will not die

Ziggster
11-19-2004, 05:28 PM
:zzz:

Ziggster
11-19-2004, 09:12 PM
sorry gotta do a little whoring before bed wanna get 300

Ziggster
11-19-2004, 09:12 PM
11

Ziggster
11-19-2004, 09:13 PM
10

Ziggster
11-19-2004, 09:13 PM
9

Ziggster
11-19-2004, 09:14 PM
still going




































oh yeah 8

Ziggster
11-19-2004, 09:14 PM
7

Ziggster
11-19-2004, 09:15 PM
6

Ziggster
11-19-2004, 09:15 PM
blank post 5

Ziggster
11-19-2004, 09:16 PM
almost there 4

Ziggster
11-19-2004, 09:16 PM
t-minus 3

Ziggster
11-19-2004, 09:17 PM
t-minus 2

Ziggster
11-19-2004, 09:17 PM
300 Bitches I OWN 361

rubyred
11-19-2004, 09:27 PM
congratulations :bravo:

Ziggster
11-19-2004, 09:29 PM
its these small victorys that keep me going:thumbup:

KungFuJared
11-19-2004, 10:00 PM
agh

Ziggster
11-19-2004, 10:26 PM
go ahead laugh its OK

rubyred
11-28-2004, 10:14 AM
i'm bringing this back again

Newsance
11-28-2004, 10:20 AM
I'm autistic.

rubyred
11-28-2004, 10:40 AM
that's exciting

CamaroGirl5.0
11-28-2004, 11:18 AM
Holy shit :eek: Now thats a lot of replies.

firecop
11-28-2004, 11:25 AM
Huh?

CamaroGirl5.0
11-28-2004, 11:31 AM
I dont think I've ever seen a 361 pager before ... some extreme posting whoring :chuckle:

cumstang02
11-28-2004, 12:11 PM
i love this thread. for a while i was the number one poster

cumstang02
11-28-2004, 12:12 PM
i wonder how many posts i have in here

cumstang02
11-28-2004, 12:12 PM
brb

cumstang02
11-28-2004, 12:13 PM
damn, i'm a little over 100 posts behind adam

cumstang02
11-28-2004, 12:14 PM
who is chevygirl 5.0

cumstang02
11-28-2004, 12:14 PM
is she hot :hubba:

cumstang02
11-28-2004, 12:15 PM
hey chevygirl5.0 :tongue:

cumstang02
11-28-2004, 12:15 PM
:yup:

cumstang02
11-28-2004, 12:16 PM
:wavey:

cumstang02
11-28-2004, 12:17 PM
:booty:

cumstang02
11-28-2004, 12:17 PM
:lala:

cumstang02
11-28-2004, 12:18 PM
I'm such a whore :kiki:

cumstang02
11-28-2004, 12:18 PM
wait i can't call myself a whore

cumstang02
11-28-2004, 12:19 PM
don't judge me :efinger:

cumstang02
11-28-2004, 12:19 PM
i'm just a people person :)

cumstang02
11-28-2004, 12:20 PM
:esquint:

icychicken
11-28-2004, 12:44 PM
ho....ly...damn

cumstang02
11-28-2004, 12:46 PM
SHIT, her name is camaro girl and i've been calling her chevygirl. :doh:

cumstang02
11-28-2004, 12:47 PM
don't be mad baby

cumstang02
11-28-2004, 12:47 PM
Its all mine BIOTCHES, wOOt

cumstang02
11-28-2004, 12:48 PM
i loves the ladies

cumstang02
11-28-2004, 12:49 PM
if i round up greany, ruby, and camarogirl then i can have a foursome.

cumstang02
11-28-2004, 12:49 PM
my beds big enough

cumstang02
11-28-2004, 12:50 PM
whatcha say ladies

CamaroGirl5.0
11-28-2004, 05:04 PM
:chuckle:

Ragtop89
11-28-2004, 06:12 PM
I have a video camera. :thumbup:

CamaroGirl5.0
11-28-2004, 07:44 PM
I have "Toxic" stuck in my head :(

Joez88Camaro
11-28-2004, 10:11 PM
Some brought the thread back to life

Joez88Camaro
11-28-2004, 10:13 PM
Originally posted by cumstang02
SHIT, her name is camaro girl and i've been calling her chevygirl. :doh:

So I updated myself on previous news in the post whores thread

Wait, don't you have kids????

:raz:

Joez88Camaro
11-28-2004, 10:13 PM
speaking of that...

isn't she a minor?

:lmao:

Joez88Camaro
11-28-2004, 10:16 PM
Now I remember why I stopped posting here

Joez88Camaro
11-28-2004, 10:17 PM
This gets really old

Joez88Camaro
11-28-2004, 10:17 PM
really fast

Joez88Camaro
11-28-2004, 10:17 PM
when your by yourself

Joez88Camaro
11-28-2004, 10:18 PM
I want to hit 2000 posts by the time new years comes

Joez88Camaro
11-28-2004, 10:18 PM
I'll need to do like 13 or something posts a day then

Joez88Camaro
11-28-2004, 10:19 PM
Thats a lot of posts for someone as lazy as I am

Joez88Camaro
11-28-2004, 10:19 PM
Maybe I'll get lucky and own a page soon

Joez88Camaro
11-28-2004, 10:20 PM
whoa, scrolling up and seeing all those barney's fly by is kinda freaky

Joez88Camaro
11-28-2004, 10:20 PM
Is it wierd that I actually remember the barney song...

Joez88Camaro
11-28-2004, 10:21 PM
Singing it out loud though might not be a good thing

Joez88Camaro
11-28-2004, 10:22 PM
now i'm just trying to own a page

Joez88Camaro
11-28-2004, 10:22 PM
Well damnit just hurry up

Joez88Camaro
11-28-2004, 10:22 PM
fuck, it's been too long since I've owned a page in this thread

Joez88Camaro
11-28-2004, 10:23 PM
Damnit why does it have to be harder then it looks

Joez88Camaro
11-28-2004, 10:23 PM
err this is getting pathetic

Joez88Camaro
11-28-2004, 10:24 PM
millions of peaches

Joez88Camaro
11-28-2004, 10:24 PM
if anyone actually reads this post I want you to know that masturebation is a more constructive use of time

Joez88Camaro
11-28-2004, 10:25 PM
I hope somebody reads that and gets irked about it

Joez88Camaro
11-28-2004, 10:25 PM
yeah, now my life is complete for the time being

greanytea
11-29-2004, 04:49 AM
Originally posted by cumstang02
if i round up greany, ruby, and camarogirl then i can have a foursome.

Eh sorry but cheyenne has first dibs on me :D

KungFuJared
11-29-2004, 05:47 AM
hi

cumstang02
11-29-2004, 09:46 AM
Originally posted by greanytea
Eh sorry but cheyenne has first dibs on me :D Cheyenne doesn't mind... sharing is caring. :thumbup:

CamaroGirl5.0
11-29-2004, 10:59 AM
That page of Barney's frightened me :chuckle:

greanytea
11-29-2004, 11:20 AM
Originally posted by cumstang02
Cheyenne doesn't mind... sharing is caring. :thumbup:

I don't want to be shared :squint:

rubyred
11-29-2004, 11:51 AM
me either

Joez88Camaro
11-29-2004, 12:28 PM
Originally posted by CamaroGirl5.0
That page of Barney's frightened me :chuckle:


Imagine now what it did to MY head...

I'm completely confused still

Joez88Camaro
11-29-2004, 12:34 PM
for everyone that is on the board at the moment it's pretty damn slow....

cumstang02
11-29-2004, 12:41 PM
Originally posted by rubyred
me either LIAR !!!!

cumstang02
11-29-2004, 12:42 PM
Originally posted by greanytea
I don't want to be shared :squint: Why not... its not fun unless we all get some..

Joez88Camaro
11-29-2004, 12:45 PM
Originally posted by cumstang02
Why not... its not fun unless we all get some..

:thumbup:

CamaroGirl5.0
11-29-2004, 01:33 PM
It is your fault! The Barneys put the Barney song in my head :cry:

Ziggster
11-29-2004, 01:40 PM
Trying to think of the barney song but i can't. Lexi(daughter) never liked barney so i didn't have to put up with it.

CamaroGirl5.0
11-29-2004, 01:44 PM
I love you, you love me, we're a happy family with, with a great big hug and a kiss from me to you, wont you say you love me too?

^ Thats the one I have stuck in my head as of now :( *Desperately goes through iTunes playlist*

Ziggster
11-29-2004, 01:52 PM
Thanks but i was better not knowing what it was. Try finding out what song that guy in the lounge is talking about. Give you a new song to think of.

Joez88Camaro
11-29-2004, 02:23 PM
Barney Ownz

Joez88Camaro
11-29-2004, 02:23 PM
Mwahahahahhahahaha

CamaroGirl5.0
11-29-2004, 02:30 PM
:lmao:

I dont even remember liking Barney, but a few years ago I found an old Barney necklace behind the seat in my dad's 78 Silverado that apparently was mine. :shrug:

CamaroGirl5.0
11-29-2004, 02:33 PM
... I miss that truck :(

Joez88Camaro
11-29-2004, 02:36 PM
But you don't miss barney?????

CamaroGirl5.0
11-29-2004, 02:41 PM
No, but I do miss when the biggest problems in life were skinned knees and cooties :chuckle:

Joez88Camaro
11-29-2004, 02:43 PM
Barney can make you feel better about those problems, however, he can't help you if you have herpes or a drug addiction problem

Ragtop89
11-29-2004, 02:47 PM
Fuck a whole lot of Barney . . . he thoroughly fucked with my kid's heads.

GK
11-29-2004, 03:06 PM
This thread is still going?!? You're ALL BANNED!!!



















:kiki:

cheyenne383
11-29-2004, 03:14 PM
It's only 363 pages, I could double it tonight. :)

CamaroGirl5.0
11-29-2004, 03:15 PM
I guess if I ever get bored I can read all 363 pages of it

cumstang02
11-29-2004, 03:15 PM
i'm game if you are

CamaroGirl5.0
11-29-2004, 03:17 PM
Hmm I dont even have 100 posts, how sad.

cumstang02
11-29-2004, 03:20 PM
if you play around this thread, your count sky rockets. trust me

cumstang02
11-29-2004, 03:20 PM
I own another without trying. wOOt BIOTCHES

cumstang02
11-29-2004, 03:21 PM
that brings back old memories. Back when it meant something to own the top of a page

cumstang02
11-29-2004, 03:21 PM
This is my page. Everyone get off of it. :powpow:

CamaroGirl5.0
11-29-2004, 03:24 PM
Hmm apparently I suck at multi-tasking :chuckle:

CamaroGirl5.0
11-29-2004, 03:28 PM
Oops, I've interrupted yer page

CamaroGirl5.0
11-29-2004, 04:32 PM
La de da da da da da

CamaroGirl5.0
11-29-2004, 04:33 PM
I've been watching this movie, and for nearly an hour and a half this girl has been stuck under a 20-ton tanker thats blown up 4 times.

CamaroGirl5.0
11-29-2004, 04:41 PM
And she just stopped breathing.

And of course they resucitated her.

And got her out.

CamaroGirl5.0
11-29-2004, 04:42 PM
These movies usually have the perfect ending. Go figure. :shrug:

CamaroGirl5.0
11-29-2004, 04:44 PM
Hah, yer page is mine now :D

Ragtop89
11-29-2004, 05:37 PM
Evisceration.

Ragtop89
11-29-2004, 05:38 PM
Penetration.

Ragtop89
11-29-2004, 05:38 PM
Castration.

Ragtop89
11-29-2004, 05:39 PM
Inebriation.

Ragtop89
11-29-2004, 05:40 PM
Multiplication.

Ragtop89
11-29-2004, 05:40 PM
Masturbation.

Ragtop89
11-29-2004, 05:41 PM
Grand Central Station.

Ragtop89
11-29-2004, 05:42 PM
Cotton on a Plantation.

Ragtop89
11-29-2004, 05:42 PM
A moist friction Sensation.

CamaroGirl5.0
11-29-2004, 07:14 PM
:lmao:

KuruptGTA
11-29-2004, 07:39 PM
Originally posted by CamaroGirl5.0
Hmm apparently I suck at masterbating :chuckle:

:shrug:

CamaroGirl5.0
11-29-2004, 07:41 PM
:finger:

KuruptGTA
11-29-2004, 07:42 PM
Originally posted by CamaroGirl5.0
:finger:

:booty:

CamaroGirl5.0
11-29-2004, 07:46 PM
*kicks*

CamaroGirl5.0
11-29-2004, 08:09 PM
I

CamaroGirl5.0
11-29-2004, 08:10 PM
am

CamaroGirl5.0
11-29-2004, 08:11 PM
fooking

CamaroGirl5.0
11-29-2004, 08:11 PM
bored

CamaroGirl5.0
11-29-2004, 08:11 PM
:(

Joez88Camaro
11-29-2004, 11:17 PM
Haha

Joez88Camaro
11-29-2004, 11:20 PM
I owned the next page without trying, now whatcha gonna do!!

HUH!!!!!!!

icychicken
11-30-2004, 12:09 AM
Post again?

Ziggster
11-30-2004, 04:13 AM
Uh nothing, cause the purple barney scares me.

Ragtop89
11-30-2004, 06:01 AM
Purple Barney is ghey.

Joez88Camaro
11-30-2004, 11:07 AM
Originally posted by Ragtop89
Purple Barney is ghey.

:squint:

CamaroGirl5.0
11-30-2004, 12:05 PM
Page owner extraordinare? :chuckle:

Joez88Camaro
11-30-2004, 12:06 PM
Me??

I think that belongs to SC1 or cumstang

Joez88Camaro
11-30-2004, 12:07 PM
I think I'm only 8th place in the total amount of posts for this thread

Joez88Camaro
11-30-2004, 12:07 PM
And that's still pretty sad

Joez88Camaro
11-30-2004, 12:08 PM
With a bit of work though 4th place might be possible.

Joez88Camaro
11-30-2004, 12:08 PM
I have to go to the DMV today, this sucks

Joez88Camaro
11-30-2004, 12:09 PM
And the guy I carpool withs car got stolen last night

Joez88Camaro
11-30-2004, 12:09 PM
from the fucking wyotech student parking lot

Joez88Camaro
11-30-2004, 12:10 PM
He drove a civic though

Joez88Camaro
11-30-2004, 12:11 PM
A 1999 Civic SI

Joez88Camaro
11-30-2004, 12:11 PM
With VTACH

Joez88Camaro
11-30-2004, 12:12 PM
He had some B18B1 block that he was going to install.

Joez88Camaro
11-30-2004, 12:12 PM
So he could raise the displacement from 1.6liters

Joez88Camaro
11-30-2004, 12:12 PM
To 1.8 liters

Joez88Camaro
11-30-2004, 12:13 PM
He traded his old stock civic rims for them

Joez88Camaro
11-30-2004, 12:14 PM
Now we have a problem with getting to school

Joez88Camaro
11-30-2004, 12:15 PM
It looks like were going to have to take his 1967 Catelina

Joez88Camaro
11-30-2004, 12:15 PM
which would be cool

Joez88Camaro
11-30-2004, 12:15 PM
if it wasn't a multicolored

Joez88Camaro
11-30-2004, 12:16 PM
rusted out

Joez88Camaro
11-30-2004, 12:16 PM
piece of shit

Joez88Camaro
11-30-2004, 12:17 PM
man, that's a whole lotta barney

Joez88Camaro
11-30-2004, 12:17 PM
This really is the way to whore in this thread

Joez88Camaro
11-30-2004, 12:17 PM
Just post in slow progression

Joez88Camaro
11-30-2004, 12:18 PM
what you did recently

Joez88Camaro
11-30-2004, 12:19 PM
And it's not like

Joez88Camaro
11-30-2004, 12:19 PM
anybody's gonna read

Joez88Camaro
11-30-2004, 12:19 PM
the random shit

Joez88Camaro
11-30-2004, 12:20 PM
that you post

Joez88Camaro
11-30-2004, 12:21 PM
except you :esquint:

Ziggster
11-30-2004, 12:36 PM
But we always read what you post Joe cause its so imformative(spell) and stuff.

Joez88Camaro
11-30-2004, 03:09 PM
???

Informative???

Me???

:lmao:

CamaroGirl5.0
11-30-2004, 03:40 PM
Originally posted by Joez88Camaro
A 1999 Civic SI

Exactly why it was stolen :chuckle: I've belonged to a Si board for almost 5 years :o: - when I joined nearly everony had a Si. Now, 75% of 'em have been stolen (and the other 15-20% were totalled).

CamaroGirl5.0
11-30-2004, 03:44 PM
Hmm in tonights movie they ran away to Los Angeles.

CamaroGirl5.0
11-30-2004, 03:44 PM
I like that idea

Ziggster
11-30-2004, 04:47 PM
Originally posted by CamaroGirl5.0
Hmm in tonights movie they ran away to Los Angeles. Run away yes but LA no. I have just done that, but have not found out where i want to be. Kinda nice feeling. I am free at the moment, have not known freedom for a very long time.

Ragtop89
11-30-2004, 05:09 PM
I have been a prisoner of marriage for over 7 years now . . . freedom will be mine when one of us dies . . .

Ziggster
11-30-2004, 05:12 PM
never got married thank god. Was just trapped by life (jobs, bills, people) now i am out and about trying to find a new location.

Ziggster
11-30-2004, 05:14 PM
of course all the internet shrinks are going to say i cannot solve my problems by running away but my heart and mind disagree. I have not felt this good in a long time.

Joez88Camaro
11-30-2004, 10:11 PM
Originally posted by Ragtop89
I have been a prisoner of marriage for over 7 years now . . . freedom will be mine when one of us dies . . .


If they can't find the body they can't say you killed her

Joez88Camaro
11-30-2004, 10:12 PM
Originally posted by CamaroGirl5.0
Exactly why it was stolen :chuckle: I've belonged to a Si board for almost 5 years :o: - when I joined nearly everony had a Si. Now, 75% of 'em have been stolen (and the other 15-20% were totalled).

Silly ricers putting expensive image items on their cars. When will they learn and they're just as easy to steal as a camaro too.

Joez88Camaro
11-30-2004, 10:40 PM
hmmmmm.......

Joez88Camaro
11-30-2004, 10:40 PM
waiting for $3.67 frozen rising crust pizza to cook after school at 11:40PM

Joez88Camaro
11-30-2004, 10:44 PM
this shit actually tastes pretty good.

Joez88Camaro
11-30-2004, 10:45 PM
I should have frozen pizza everynight

Joez88Camaro
11-30-2004, 10:45 PM
Today I had a comp test at school

Joez88Camaro
11-30-2004, 10:45 PM
It was a stupid waste of my time

Joez88Camaro
11-30-2004, 10:46 PM
They made me test whether or not switches were open or closed and how much resistance they had.

Joez88Camaro
11-30-2004, 10:46 PM
Then prove it with an air hose

Joez88Camaro
11-30-2004, 10:47 PM
It was gay

Joez88Camaro
11-30-2004, 10:48 PM
A guy in my class thought I was engaged and wondered why I never talk about my fiance

Joez88Camaro
11-30-2004, 10:48 PM
I had to explain to him that if the ring was on your right hand it meant nothing

Joez88Camaro
11-30-2004, 10:49 PM
He was just a really misinformed idiot

Joez88Camaro
11-30-2004, 10:49 PM
Me and the rest of the guys in my group laughed at him

Joez88Camaro
11-30-2004, 10:51 PM
I also saw someone hook up cooling lines without tightening them to the dyno engine when they were testing their transmission

Joez88Camaro
11-30-2004, 10:51 PM
I owned another page

Joez88Camaro
11-30-2004, 10:52 PM
anyway though, a bunch of people and a teacher got sprayed with ATF

Joez88Camaro
11-30-2004, 10:52 PM
it was the funnah

Joez88Camaro
11-30-2004, 10:53 PM
I wonder if posting this much in this manner makes you insane

Joez88Camaro
11-30-2004, 10:53 PM
especially while eating frozen pizza

Joez88Camaro
11-30-2004, 10:54 PM
I only eat it though because I get home at 11:00, usually I'm have something nicer, like a frozen lean cuisine

Joez88Camaro
11-30-2004, 10:55 PM
Why am I defending myself to myself?

Joez88Camaro
11-30-2004, 10:55 PM
why won't the voices in my head shutup?

Joez88Camaro
11-30-2004, 10:55 PM
oh well

Joez88Camaro
11-30-2004, 10:56 PM
I only have to try to tolerate them until I hit the 11,000 post mark

Joez88Camaro
11-30-2004, 10:56 PM
Until then, well...

Joez88Camaro
11-30-2004, 10:57 PM
I guess I made it my official mission to hit 11,000 post

Joez88Camaro
11-30-2004, 10:57 PM
This should be interesting

Joez88Camaro
11-30-2004, 10:57 PM
Man, this is hard work

Joez88Camaro
11-30-2004, 10:58 PM
not physically

Joez88Camaro
11-30-2004, 10:59 PM
but mentally

Joez88Camaro
11-30-2004, 10:59 PM
and why can I only post once every ten seconds???

Joez88Camaro
11-30-2004, 10:59 PM
That's annoying

Joez88Camaro
11-30-2004, 11:00 PM
blaigngoaneignaogieonigfogeoa!!!!!!